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Re: Security Basic Commands and Tactics [SBCT]

Postby Shank » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:19 pm

It looks good, is that page from US military or another source?
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Re: Security Basic Commands and Tactics [SBCT]

Postby einnyen » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:30 pm

Looks like it came from the ChairForce.

Uh I mean Air Force.
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Re: Security Basic Commands and Tactics [SBCT]

Postby Stabby_McPunch » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:22 pm

That seems like a great initial resource for basic formations. We may have to modify it for space, however. Enemies can approach from different angles much easier in space. Anybody have resources for that?
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Re: Security Basic Commands and Tactics [SBCT]

Postby ManOfArt » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:24 pm

Shank wrote:It looks good, is that page from US military or another source?



https://books.google.ie/books?id=hBxBdK ... cs&f=false

there isnt everything shown but i found few interesting parts
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Re: Security Basic Commands and Tactics [SBCT]

Postby ManOfArt » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:26 pm

einnyen wrote:Looks like it came from the ChairForce.

Uh I mean Air Force.


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Re: Security Basic Commands and Tactics [SBCT]

Postby Captain Glume » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:55 pm

I would imagine space formations would be more in the 3d type.
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Re: Security Basic Commands and Tactics [SBCT]

Postby Stabby_McPunch » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:29 am

That always was kind of weird for me in Star Wars ... for the most part, their space combat was very planar.
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Re: Security Basic Commands and Tactics [SBCT]

Postby Solaias » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:44 am

IIRC Homeworld had some nice 3D formations.
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Re: Security Basic Commands and Tactics [SBCT]

Postby einnyen » Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:20 pm

Common sense would dictate that you would encapsulate your cap ships with small, more easily replaced ships.

But Common Sense?!
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Taking formations to a truly open environment is a bit tricky because most points of reference are relative. Thus you would have to make your hard and fast reference be the flight leader/Squadron leader.

Keep in mind that most of the formations currently in use were really dreamed up in WWII to give layered levels of threat when patrolling or penetrating into enemy controlled air space. The general Air Force/Navy formations are a good starting point, however I don't know that they'll be much good for anything other than learning the basics of formation flight.

The problematic part for me is distance as it pertains to the pilots and relative points. Lets say that we use my above solution and make the Squadron Leader the absolute reference. Here's a Scenerio;

Flight: Squadron Leader/Flight Lead 1, Wing 1, Flight Lead 2, Wing 2
Formation: ArrowHead

Wing 2 reports contact to their 4 o clock. Distance at 9000km, however he's 5000km (relative) from Flight Lead 1. It isn't as simple as adding the 5000km and the 9000km, because not all the ships are on the same plane. So what, in atmosphere, would end up being roughly 14,000km might be closer to 20,000km in space. So how do we address this issue with no static and meaningful point of reference?

I have no idea, but it's something we need to think about and find a solution for. I suppose that in a patrol situation you could use distance from you current or previous nav point, however this could end up being in the hundreds of thousands of kilometers so it really would be a needle in a haystack situation.

I need to think on this some more, but my gut reaction would require that the ships in your patrol would need to stay between 10,000km and 15,000km away from one another. This gives enough room for evasive action as well as redundant radar coverage while maximizing signal to noise ratio. The formation could be a standard diamond shape as seen either from the top or rear of the ships. From the rear it provides for depth of sensor sweeps but from top it provides more width.

This is getting complicated. I need a drink or 5 to lay this all out.
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Re: Security Basic Commands and Tactics [SBCT]

Postby Solaias » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:17 pm

Enemy spotted at 5 o'clock high!

Well, it works. :D
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